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John Doe is the founder of the seminal Los Angeles punk group X, a solo artist and actor. John answers questions from our community members in the WWJDD? blog. Photo by Autumn de Wilde.
A Question from Amanda in Indianapolis
Hello John,
I have been writing songs for some time now and it's been a dream of
mine to record my own record. The local recording studio near my house
gave me a handwritten price quote of $2000.00 to record, mix, master my
recordings and cover the costs of a couple of session musicians. It
seemed like a lot of money but the people there seemed to know what
they are doing and I wanted a professional recording of my material.
Now that the recording process is over a couple of things happened that
have left me confused and upset. The person in charge at the studio
helped me with melodies on two of my songs, now he says he wants 25%
ownership of those songs! He never told me that his help would give him
part ownership of MY songs. If I had known that I would have stuck with
my original melodies. Additionally he is now asking that I sign a
producer agreement that gives him 3% points on my sales. Shouldn't
these "agreements" happen before I started recording, not after? I have
already paid for the recording session in full but now he is won't give
me the masters until I sign his agreements. Are artists always treated
this way by people who offer "help" in the music industry? What would
John Doe Do in this situation?
With much respect,
Amanda
WWJDD?
Hey Amanda,
I'd love to kick this guy in the shins for you!
First of all, you have ALL my sympathy. This is totally unprofessional & YES
these agreements should be negotiated before the session. The first
thing I thought of was how can you break-in or bring a couple of big,
nasty goons & physically take back yr tapes. Then of course I
realized there are no tapes. I suppose you could do that to his
computer but . . . doing 1 to 3 @ the State Pen for breaking &
entering & robbery probably isn't that attractive. One way to avoid
this is to use your own hard drive, possession is "9 tenths of the
law". BUT what's done is done. You could get a lawyer but that means
more money & too much time & effort. You probably should make
a complaint to the "Better Business Bureau" & tell anyone in yr
town who cares, what a shitbag this guy is.
Now, to solve yr
dilemma. Even though what he's asking for should have be settled before
recording, a producer's fee isn't uncommon. Standard is 3% but that
applies to established producers. Offer him a 2%, producer's fee.
Regarding the melodies; go line by line & figure out what
percentage yours to his melodies are used in the songs that he
contributed to. That may be difficult but be generous & make yr
best guess. This way if he questions how you came up w/ the number,
you will have a plan. Then offer him half of that percent of the
writer’s credit, since I'm guessing he didn't write any of those
words. Also he would not be entitled to any publisher's royalty. If none of this is acceptable to him, take him to small claims court, maybe you'll get Judge Judy.
This is a lot of wrangling for, probably, not much reward ($$) but
there is always a chance that the song could get licensed to some movie
or TV show & that can be big dough. Let me know if I should dust
off my brass knuckles, be tough & best of luck.
I hope this helps and as always, thanks for writing.
yrs,
JD
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